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Poster: utopian Date: May 21, 2011 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

I find it very interesting to track the subtle seasonal changes in songs. The stlylistic evolutions came rapidly and many themes were bouncing from one end to the other of extremes, Within each respective year.

Some songs got better, some not. But its a question of which songs were more suited to the phrasing/tone/or effect that each era put on the band sound. And most of all its what effect you personally like when choosing shows.

68- fall 69
The psychedelic dead never sounded better.
Peak Dead in general
other one
dark star
new potatoe

70
stripped down folky feel,

71
mowtown gleen

72
with all the hubbub of the coming release I have to say I really don't get the facination with 72. The rapid explosion of new songs lends more to the standard reads with little jamming, especially set one. The jams were usually relegated to the end of set 2. I have to be super selective with song choice to even entertain the thought, and be very close to the fast foreward button. Take those same first set tunes and fast foreward a few years to get to a more open version with more well developed licks. This era they seem to be trying to hard for a sound, not letting the naturalness come out. Too much country for me, from vocals to jerry's tone.

73-74
The band still had a real country twinge but many would describe this as the jazzy era which I would somewhat agree with. The cowboy tunes never sounded better than in this folk/country era. Another era of peak dead.

El paso
sugar mags
They Love each Other
HC sunshine
Greatest story
Row Jimmy
bertha
GDTRFB

77-79
If I want to introduce anyone to the band this, or 89-90, is what I put on. Each one of these years of the late 70's could demand days worth of writing, but I'll lump it together just for today.
BE women
sugaree
Scarlet Fire
Cassidy
Music
Peggy o
samson
1/2 step
Help Slip
Franklins


Again each one of these years is drastically different
80
train came back on tracks and the simple formula of rock n roll. Goodby disco dead
81 spring has its moments, fall is when the band had to take jerry aside.

82-85
the music really picks back up for me in 82
minglewood
jack straw
black peter
birdsong
west la
big rr
crazy fingers
loser

87-91
china rider
morning dew
candyman
wharf
playin
althea
terrapin
stanger
wheel






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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 21, 2011 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

it always amazes me how vastly different people experiences are. For instance I like the country sound ( which is an opinion not an experience ) but I think 71 is THE year for that sound way better than the 73/74 you mentioned. Im talking specifically just the cowboy numbers. But I`m absolutely amazed you don`t see the brilliance of 72. I think their sound after europe in the fall has a more hard edge agressive tone that i could see your argument on being forced ( i still love it ) but imo Europe 72 is bar none THE best the band ever played or sounded. Every show is perfect and their tone so well balanced and majestic. a lot that i attribute to keith and the grande piano. im not one of those that has to have jamming to be good some of my favorite dead are the subtle little nuiances and touches and extra detail they throw in to just a simple song. but as far as no jamming 72 has some incredible stuff. the dark stars went further than ever before and they turned the other one into way deeper spaces than just the all balls out hit you over the head intesnity it had before

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Poster: utopian Date: May 21, 2011 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

Listen to whatever you like, of course. Engage in discussion if you wish its not my goal to convince you of anything. We all have different perspectives and desires. And there us alot if changes to track and appreciate in the vast catalog.

Yea i hear you, some people like the first set standard reads, 'play it like the album jerry.' and don't require the sauce to get their rocks off. I can see that perspective and Of course there was jamming in e72, but more often relegated to end of set 2. Yes some if the darkstars went far, well long but sometimes that train went off the tracks to screeching or a complete stop, as in pause of the action, 5-4-72. But what I can clarify is there is a affect, or color, or nuance, or tone of the deads playing in 72 that sometimes hurts my head. If that's the way I can describe it. If I'm not in the ultra mood or doing research, it doesnt stay on too long. Just my own personal preference. The vocals, playing, song choice, themeing was
too much in the vein of the stretching harsh psychedelia country terrain.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 21, 2011 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

It is interesting the different eras that grab a hold of people. There has been one time or another that grabs me but I would generally say the dead peaked several times

Summer68-spring 69
Spring 73-summer74
Spring 77
Spring 78
Fall 79
Fall 82
Sumer 89
Spring 90
Is generally what I regard highly, with of course many good shows in between.

Spring 71 i enjoy as well A little more of a classic sound, timeless, It hits me like dead doing mowtown Would. E72 had alot if effect on it, the country twang, too arranged and orchestrated for me. whilst the fall 72 got deeper darker in the jams, I really like pigpen, Not his organ as
much as his songs that he sung. I think Keith was beyond brilliant, musically, for the most part. But I don't think it came together until spring 77 for the cleanest, tightest, jam oriented, start to finish blistering shows.

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Poster: SpacedAgain Date: May 21, 2011 11:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

Yeah '72 is quite good. I like August and September about as well as the Spring. Beside the standards, The Other One on 9-28 is one that bears repeated listening.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 21, 2011 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

JOTS,anyone who would post something with the words "mowtown gleen" in it pretty much invalidate anything else they have to say,I can't say that I'm surprised that he doesn't get 72' because he clearly doesn't get anything.

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Poster: utopian Date: May 22, 2011 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Songs that improved with age yes and no

A well conceived argument rooted in wisdom and logic.

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"Earl!.... Quick!!.... I don't understand what he's saying.
Kill it!"